Adapting the centrotec chuck to take normal bits

[fshanno]

I have the new metabo drill and the quick chuck. Works like a charm. New metabo drills also fit the centrotec chuck so you get the best of everything without modifications.
I also own a cxs and a t15

Can you attach the Metabo chuck designed for standard 1/4" ball detent hex bits on you CXS?

 

[GhostFist]

No, very slightly smaller diameter on the Metabo chuck. Not so much that it effects a centrotec chuck on a metabo drill, but enough that metabo chucks will not fit on festool.

 

[tazprime38]

fshanno, you I believe are onto something here. All we need is for someone to bond glue or weld a hext shank in th botomm of the centrotec chuck and file/cut corners into the top hole and maybe fill the curves with some super hard stuff maybe epoxy then file the six sides down to accept a normal hex bit. If it works (it should) then maybe dismantle a centroteck chuck and get an engineering shop to make a new internal part of the chuck with the modifications and reassemble. Probably will be costly to do though.

 

[fshanno]

fshanno, you I believe are onto something here. All we need is for someone to bond glue or weld a hext shank in th botomm of the centrotec chuck and file/cut corners into the top hole and maybe fill the curves with some super hard stuff maybe epoxy then file the six sides down to accept a normal hex bit. If it works (it should) then maybe dismantle a centroteck chuck and get an engineering shop to make a new internal part of the chuck with the modifications and reassemble. Probably will be costly to do though.

A machinist would probably tell us it would be easier to start from scratch, even for a single prototype.  Besides, I'd rather have one that pops the hot drill bit out and locks open ready to receive the driver bit.

I suppose we're stuck.  Beating that dead horse.  Have we no mercy?  Have we no decency?  Have we no respect for the dead?

Or, maybe we could find somebody to sneak into the Festool design workshop and swipe the prototypes they've built and review them for us?

 

[fshanno]

No, very slightly smaller diameter on the Metabo chuck. Not so much that it effects a centrotec chuck on a metabo drill, but enough that metabo chucks will not fit on festool.

We're not going to have this capability are we?  I'm almost ready to give up.

 

[GhostFist]

Part of the reason I switched to metabo. Higher torque range plus all of festools advantages killer batteries, lower price. Seemed silly to get another festool

 

[TelcoRandy]

Without having to start entirely from scratch on a design, do you think that this could be somehow modified to lock-on to a Festool drill without a Centrotec chuck?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004R9LD?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_sfl_title_3&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Product Description:
This quick change bit system features true one-handed load and release and is up to 33% faster than competitive systems. The superior accuracy of the innovative mechanism virtually eliminates looseness and wobble. To load, simply push bit into chuck. To release, pull forward on the collar and remove.

*** WARNING *** Last picture doesn't have the two pieces merged together to scale. I just mashed the Bosch bit holder to the bottom of the Centrotec Chuck to show what it might look like in Photoshop. I left a bit of a gap for the spring because I figured you would still need to be able to move the bottom Centrotec collar to attach it to the drill. I have no idea if the Bosch bit holder's shank would even be long enough for this either. I suspect it might work if you shortened the metal barrel, drilled out the center to 1/4" and welded/brazed the Bosch bit holder to the bottom of the Centrotec Barrel (if that's even possible, I don't know anything about welding/brazing). If this design were to work I suppose you could shorten the green sleeve to cover up the spring without adding any additional height to this chuck design.

 

[tazprime38]

Without having to start entirely from scratch on a design, do you think that this could be somehow modified to lock-on to a Festool drill without a Centrotec chuck?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004R9LD?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_sfl_title_3&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Product Description:
This quick change bit system features true one-handed load and release and is up to 33% faster than competitive systems. The superior accuracy of the innovative mechanism virtually eliminates looseness and wobble. To load, simply push bit into chuck. To release, pull forward on the collar and remove.

*** WARNING *** Last picture doesn't have the two pieces merged together to scale. I just mashed the Bosch bit holder to the bottom of the Centrotec Chuck to show what it might look like in Photoshop. I left a bit of a gap for the spring because I figured you would still need to be able to move the bottom Centrotec collar to attach it to the drill. I have no idea if the Bosch bit holder's shank would even be long enough for this either. I suspect it might work if you shortened the metal barrel, drilled out the center to 1/4" and welded/brazed the Bosch bit holder to the bottom of the Centrotec Barrel (if that's even possible, I don't know anything about welding/brazing). If this design were to work I suppose you could shorten the green sleeve to cover up the spring without adding any additional height to this chuck design.

We are heading in the right direction  lol!

Was it simple to dismantle the centrotec chuck and is it a simple process to put it back together in working order? A quick guide to how you dismantled and reassembled it would be good. I only have one centrotec chuck and will get another so I can play about with it to see if it could be adapted.

 

[TelcoRandy]

Was it easy to take apart? Yes, but I haven't tried putting it back together yet... To take it apart it only took the removal of 1 snap ring (that little circular ring in the picture)  and then it all came apart nicely. The only problem is the little bearings went everywhere when I pulled the two sleeves apart. But I found them on the carpet and just put them in that little bit storage box pictured above.

I'm curious if I can build one with that Bosch chuck so I ordered one last night from Amazon.com. Once it comes in I'll have to bring it to our small machine shop at work and see if this thing can somehow be welded/brazed together. I have no experience with this stuff but if I'm successful I will make a video showing how it works.

 

[Holmz]

Was it easy to take apart? Yes, but I haven't tried putting it back together yet... To take it apart it only took the removal of 1 snap ring (that little circular ring in the picture)  and then it all came apart nicely. The only problem is the little bearings went everywhere when I pulled the two sleeves apart. But I found them on the carpet and just put them in that little bit storage box pictured above.

I'm curious if I can build one with that Bosch chuck so I ordered one last night from Amazon.com. Once it comes in I'll have to bring it to our small machine shop at work and see if this thing can somehow be welded/brazed together. I have no experience with this stuff but if I'm successful I will make a video showing how it works.

Or just get a Metabo and paint it green.

 

[tazprime38]

Was it easy to take apart? Yes, but I haven't tried putting it back together yet... To take it apart it only took the removal of 1 snap ring (that little circular ring in the picture)  and then it all came apart nicely. The only problem is the little bearings went everywhere when I pulled the two sleeves apart. But I found them on the carpet and just put them in that little bit storage box pictured above.

I'm curious if I can build one with that Bosch chuck so I ordered one last night from Amazon.com. Once it comes in I'll have to bring it to our small machine shop at work and see if this thing can somehow be welded/brazed together. I have no experience with this stuff but if I'm successful I will make a video showing how it works.

That's fantastic, can't wait.

 

[TelcoRandy]

Holmz, I haven't seen a Metabo drill that wasn't green. I've had a Metabo LT (18V Lithium) series drill since August 2010. Great drill!

 

[Holmz]

Holmz, I haven't seen a Metabo drill that wasn't green. I've had a Metabo LT (18V Lithium) series drill since August 2010. Great drill!

[smile]
I feel like I have to buy an issue of GQ to keep up with the times.

I recall in ~1980 a GF mentioned Teal. I asked was it a animal, mineral or person.
She got me an edition of GQ.
I told her if I read GQ I would not need a GF.  [big grin]

I do not even know what Bosch is, but I assume teal??
FT is limey green.
The Metabo seems even more obscure.
Then the X asked about some Pantone (C) colour the other day. The good Lord invented unicorns and rainbows before Pantone charts, so if it is not a primary rainbow colour... And NOT a unicorn, then it is the work of the devil.

The red metablo is the other XMAS red-n-green, aka Mafell.