Down with the old & Up with the new

[six-point socket II]

Very cool project, thanks for sharing!

Don't hurt me, but, I'm jealous that you already got some snow. We can probably again go out in a light "summer jacket" or sweater until mid January or so ... And then it's cold for a few days and at the end of February it's back to T-Shirts ... Crazy times, climate wise.

Oh what I'd give for a truly white Christmas from Thanksgiving through New Years ...

Have fun with the new garage!

And those diamond grinding discs are amazing! Recently used one to prep some concrete for priming and a glue up.

Kind regards,
Oliver

 

[Reff@218]

Thanks for sharing [member=44099]Cheese[/member]. Enjoyed your photos and your attention to detail. Man, those Texas work boys work fast- I'll take them

over Amish any day.

 

[Cheese]

Thanks for sharing [member=44099]Cheese[/member]. Enjoyed your photos and your attention to detail. Man, those Texas work boys work fast- I'll take them

over Amish any day.

Well [member=73087]Reff@218[/member] you've gotta take the bad with the good.  [big grin]  The Texas tornadoes are fast but their rework rate could prove to be their downfall. Hitting the center of the stud with a nail is somehow an option.  [eek]  It's the rhythmic sound of a nail gun going bang......bang.......bang that I know they're hitting their target everytime, versus the bang.bang.bang that alerts you to some/most of the details are now in doubt.

Today, all the fire blocking on the 26' long fire wall had to be removed and replaced because the original blocking that was installed was 7/16" thick particle board while local code clearly spells out 1-1/2" thick 2x material. It is, fire blocking after all and how long will a 7/16" thick material stand up to a roaring blaze?

 

[Reff@218]

Wow!!! Glad you got the keen eye and keen ear [member=44099]Cheese[/member]. Fire blocking- wasn't their a note on the drawings? Boys couldn't read

English?  SMH, too bad their is such BS on your project.

 

[Sparktrician]

Today, all the fire blocking on the 26' long fire wall had to be removed and replaced because the original blocking that was installed was 7/16" thick particle board while local code clearly spells out 1-1/2" thick 2x material. It is, fire blocking after all and how long will a 7/16" thick material stand up to a roaring blaze?

JAYZUS!!!  What kind of moron thought 7/16" particle board would serve as fire stop?  [scared]  Be glad that one was caught. 

 

[rmwarren]

I'm trying to picture how they used 7/16 material and fastened it? Seems like every possible way would be more work.

RMW

 

[Michael Kellough]

I'm trying to picture how they used 7/16 material and fastened it? Seems like every possible way would be more work.

RMW

Just cut it long and hammer it in since it bends so readily.

 

[Cheese]

I'm trying to picture how they used 7/16 material and fastened it? Seems like every possible way would be more work.

JAYZUS!!!  What kind of moron thought 7/16" particle board would serve as fire stop?  [scared]  Be glad that one was caught. 

I'm trying to picture how they used 7/16 material and fastened it? Seems like every possible way would be more work.

Just cut it long and hammer it in since it bends so readily.

Ya...there's always been a reason I did things myself...I'm not usually happy with the professional results. Maybe I'm just too picky or maybe I'm just too cheap. I'm ok with both of those explanations.  [big grin]

Well, the thin OSB fire blocking has been ripped out and the 2x fire blocking material is now installed. That's a good thing, it gives me the mental satisfaction that the framing permit will be approved, and that's a very good thing. The local code stipulates that after the rough framing is completed, all further work comes to a complete halt until the permit is signed off. So window setting, door setting, skylight setting and siding & soffit construction now comes to a halt. And this is mid November in Minnesota...a very scary time to try to recover from for the building trade. Today luckily it was 50º above...however tomorrow it could be 20º below. Minnesota has been known to have over a 70º temperature differential from day to day.  We're on the cusp.  [big grin]

 

[Cheese]

Update:
The entire footings have been wrapped with 2" of foam board insulation down to the level of 18". This insulates the footing from but doesn't isolate it from thermal absorption.

Throughout this process, I'm amazed at how construction practices have changed in the last 10-15 years as far as foundation insulation/isolation is concerned.

I'd strongly suggest that the installer of a garage slab investigate the current insulation practices because they are changing as we speak. I now realize that I could have done better by being more specific in the design requirements for cold weather conditions.

It gets down to there being a serious time lag between commonly accepted insulation standards used & employed by concrete crews and the now-trending insulation standards that have recently been pushed to the forefront.

In the past it was centered around thermal insulation and now it's evolved to thermal isolation...I only wish I had known what I know now...I was only 24 hours away from making that strategic change.  [sad]

 

[Michael Kellough]

What would you do differently in your case? Put foam on the inside of the footings and pour the slab later?

 

[nclemmons]

Interesting video on slab insulation.  I first ran across Kyle when he built Jimmy Diresta's shop and have followed him ever since.  He got his start in home renovations, then farm buildings and now does a lot of cool shops and home/shop combinations...  Really sharp guy and amazingly productive with just one helper on these large builds!

 

[FestitaMakool]

I get what you feel and the choice of having professionals making the odd slips and hiccups..
There certainly are some wry good carpenters out there, and in here [wink] But assembly teams, at least for me, makes the bells dingle. Still it’s corrected, right? Could be just me, but they could have added a second thicker layer of sheets og fire redundant?

Sort of why I do most carpentry myself too Cheese. Still I have used and even worked with carpenters that I have admired for the work and competence they put in, even at places most even miss the point of why. It’s pride of a trade. I like that.

Insulation.. ye.. since my slab was put inside an already existing building, I got the advise of styrofoam between the slabs edges and whatever outside wall, concrete or wood.

When building from ground up, it’s standard here to put insulation outside and down into the ground special styrofoam (same as under your slab) to hinder frost ingress from the sides. That said, it needs constant heat during winter to keep up. Without heat the cold will eventually get through.

 

[Cheese]

I mentioned earlier that hitting a stud was optional...well here ya go. This was a particularly pesky stud as there were also several nail misses on the lower part of the same stud that I haven't shown.

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[Sheik Maboutie]

More haste = Less speed  :

 

[rst]

The hurrieder I go, the behinder I get

 

[FestitaMakool]

Had exactly, just the same view.. on the garage in my former house..
There was so many places the nails didn’t really had any reliable hold.
Which led me to drive new + screws controlling inside/outside anywhere I found the wrong end of the nail visible. At least that gave me some comfort.

 

[Packard]

I cannot remember why I stopped to look at a new construction home in process, but I do recall that the 3” thick panel on the outside of the poured basement that I thought was insulation, was not.

I described it to a friend who said that the panel made up of what looked like 3” thick Scotchbrite scouring pads, with fabric bonded to the surfaces, was really a drainage panel. 

It consisted of water permeable outer layer, the “scotchbrite-like” core (open mesh for water drainage) and a waterproof membrane that went against the concrete.

The permeable layer kept the drainage area from being clogged with silt and the membrane kept the concrete dry.

I have never seen anything written about this product.

When I had my basement waterproofed, the contractor painted the concrete with roofing tar, placed foam insulation against the concrete block, poured drainage sand to fill in the excavation. I can’t flaw the work.  My basement has been dry for 25+ years.  But I am wondering if the contractor mistook the foam insulation for the drainage panels.

 

[Cheese]

Had exactly, just the same view.. on the garage in my former house..
There was so many places the nails didn’t really had any reliable hold.
Which led me to drive new + screws controlling inside/outside anywhere I found the wrong end of the nail visible. At least that gave me some comfort.

This is interesting Festita...I had the local inspector show up a few days ago to approve the framing part of the garage. He checks the  proper nailing by placing a soft boot kick to each individual stud cavity and when one resonates too much, he further evaluates the cavity by more kicks and visual observations. I showed him the cavity with all of the nail misses and he kick checked it...it passed...he said it was because of my foaming the stud-to-sheeting interface, dampened the resonance but he marked it to be re-nailed.  [big grin]

That was interesting, I gained a little bit more knowledge.  [smile]

So, on to the footing insulation install, just a quick refresher, the slab has been poured on 4" of 25 psi foam insulation and I'm now lining the outside of the blocks with 2" of the same insulation. The insulative value of 2" of foam is R-10...that's pretty impressive for only 2" of insulation. Considering 3-1/2" of fiberglass is only R-13.  [sad]  I believe that reflective film lined 2" Celotex foam insulation is R-12.

Here's the insulation adhered to the footings. There will be a drip edge installed over the top of the foam and next spring the insulation will be coated with a thick coating of stucco.

The only down-side I've heard about is that the corners of the foam tend to be very delicate and they damage easily, the long horizontal runs on the other hand tend to be extremely robust once coated with the stucco mixture. I believe the stucco coat is about 1/8" thick.

I do have a solution for the fragile corners, I'm just waiting for it to arrive.

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[rmwarren]

[member=44099]Cheese[/member] are you taking the "outsulation" approach? I've seen some methods on YT for getting a fully airtight envelope that are really intriguing and seemingly not to hard to execute.

When we built (2010) a major frustration was getting any local contractors to do anything outside the box. They just wanted to slap up 16" OC 2-by frames and move on, can't blame them since anything new entails risk but it was disappointing. Forget about advanced framing, & spray foam was cutting edge.

Seems like that's changed.

RMW

 

[rvieceli]

[member=44099]Cheese[/member] Looking good so far. Are they back on Monday?

Is that a Great Pyrenees in the background?

My wife's little sister and her family have two Newfoundlands and a Great Pyrenees. Wonderful dogs but BIG.

Ron