Festool CXS Brushless

[Crazyraceguy]

It's always been around! Absolute recommendation, I run all my drills with them, makes a HUGE difference in handling and e.g. the BHC is still able to do several hundred holes into concrete with that tiny battery.
I never understood why anyone would run a 5 or even 6Ah battery on their drill

I don't get that either, though I use Makita drills and drivers, except for the CXS.
Although, I am in the static environment of a shop, rather than in the field, I just don't see the need for bigger batteries in drills or impact drivers. I used to run the 1.5ah batteries, but Makita has gone to 2ah as the minimum now. They will go all day (or longer) with a drill/countersink combo or driving 1 1/4" and 1 5/8" screws.
If I spent the day driving big deck screws or lag bolts, maybe, but do you really gain that much power from the bigger batteries? in a drill/impact specifically?
Sure, in the compact routers, or track saws, etc I know it matters, but drills/drivers?
Makita has an extra "tab" in the track mechanism of the higher amp draw tools that will not allow the lower amp batteries to fit onto them, though the reverse is not true. You can put the bigger batteries on anything.
I typically run the small 2ah batteries on the compact routers too, with the small edge trimming bits I use, and keep one 5ah battery for bigger bits. Though you have to be careful about bigger bits in those small routers. The locking cam lever does have not the strongest hold on height adjustment. If you keep the screw loose enough for the cam lever to work, it may not be tight enough to hold the body in place.
I have taken to tightening the 8mm nut after assuring the height is correct, as I have had to make repairs, because of slipping. 

 

[six-point socket II]

The reciprocating saw made me think it's fake......

(...)

Someone should start a new rumor post about that RSC 18 recip saw...

It's not rumors anymore. I have seen more pictures by now, that I can't post because of copyright issues, and it is real.

It will have a pretty interesting/innovative dust collection nozzle/attachment that can be attached to the fence/stop/guard of the recipro saw.

However, new rumors about it are as follows: It's a re-branded Flex/ from same manufacturer ->https://www.flex-tools.com/de-at/produkte/akku-maschinen/18-0-v/rsp-dw-18-0-ec-c and quite likely another "first one", rumors say it's "Made in China".

Kind regards,
Oliver

 

[wpz]

The reciprocating saw made me think it's fake......

(...)

Someone should start a new rumor post about that RSC 18 recip saw...

It's not rumors anymore. I have seen more pictures by now, that I can't post because of copyright issues, and it is real.

It will have a pretty interesting/innovative dust collection nozzle/attachment that can be attached to the fence/stop/guard of the recipro saw.

However, new rumors about it are as follows: It's a re-branded Flex/ from same manufacturer ->https://www.flex-tools.com/de-at/produkte/akku-maschinen/18-0-v/rsp-dw-18-0-ec-c and quite likely another "first one", rumors say it's "Made in China".

Kind regards,
Oliver

Rumor I heard is that it is coming out in May and will cost 442,36 euro incl tax for 576947 RSC 18 EB-Basic

wpz

 

[Coen]

However, new rumors about it are as follows: It's a re-branded Flex/ from same manufacturer ->https://www.flex-tools.com/de-at/produkte/akku-maschinen/18-0-v/rsp-dw-18-0-ec-c and quite likely another "first one", rumors say it's "Made in China".

Kind regards,
Oliver

[eek]
If it's just rebranding, might just as well sign up for Metabo / Bosch / Makita battery sharing program.

 

[Frank-Jan]

I don't mind the rebranding, if the tool is good (I really like that I can get a cordless fein anglegrinder and supercut, without having to get into their battery platform)

I don't think Bosch and Makita are in that batterysharing thing.

 

[woodferret]

... and it's now up on the Festool UK site
https://www.festool.co.uk/products/new-products/new-products/577334---cxs-18-basic-set-gb#Overview

... and from the hand-shots, it looks extremely uncomfortable in use in comparison to the lighter one.  Every one has a weird wrist bend.

 

[squall_line]

There's no selector switch for the clutch and you have to spin it 'round to switch to drill mode like the current brushed models, which is a step backwards.

I can see maybe replacing my C-12 or C-18 with this (especially if the C18 and T18 chucks will fit), but not my CXS-10.

 

[Coen]

... and it's now up on the Festool UK site
https://www.festool.co.uk/products/new-products/new-products/577334---cxs-18-basic-set-gb#Overview

... and from the hand-shots, it looks extremely uncomfortable in use in comparison to the lighter one.  Every one has a weird wrist bend.

Seems most of the photos were made showing it in a weird position, so the wrist bend was because of that and not the tool?

There's no selector switch for the clutch and you have to spin it 'round to switch to drill mode like the current brushed models, which is a step backwards.

I can see maybe replacing my C-12 or C-18 with this (especially if the C18 and T18 chucks will fit), but not my CXS-10.

While that is one of the nicest features of Festool drills!

 

[festoller]

First discounted retail prices are available, probably close to average pricing once they are out.

RSC 18 basic: € 257,-
RSC 18 2x5,0: € 497,- (BP 18 5,0 goes for €100 each seperately, charger included)
both versions include dust collector

TXS 18 basic: € 148,-
TXS 18 2x3,0: € 261,- (incl. charger)

TSV 60 basic: € 700,-

Prices are without VAT (19% for Germany), availibility May 2023

In addition to the official Festool videos, there's one from Festool Latvia in IRL.


I'm looking forward to side by side comparison with the old ones!

 

[Coen]

I am still on the fence regarding the CSX. I've been long waiting for the C15 to come with 4.2 ah packs, as I could use them on the SysLite.

Quick question- couldn't find the answer from a brief search: can the 3.0 Ah batteries that come stock with the c15 be used with the syslite? Seems like they should be compatible.

Yes, all Festool batteries from the last 6-7 years work with the syslite with the exception of the CXS batteries and some really old style Festool batteries.

Thanks Brice! I figured they would but from a previous post it sounded like they wouldn't. Going to have to replace my old nicad c12 sometime soon and wanted to be sure!

NiCad batteries work in the Syslite. if anyone out there is wondering.

Buy who still has NiCd batteries in 2023 that hold >50% charge?

 

[squall_line]

In addition to the official Festool videos, there's one from Festool Latvia in IRL.


I'm looking forward to side by side comparison with the old ones!

I just realized the other thing I appreciate about the CXS-10; it's in a SYS-1 / M 137, not some over-bloated 187 Systainer.  [eek]  My goodness...

Even with the attic lid, the fact that it needs a 187 is a clear indication that it's no longer a compact tool.

 

[Coen]

Huhuh, even the big 18V drills in set edition were in a Systainer I (that is 112 not 137)

That reinforced lid and bottom of Sys³ is absolutely useless when you can't even stack enough of hem for it to matter when they hit the ground when carrying.

 

[Cheese]

Well this whole CXS thing is very disappointing... [sad] ...that CXS 18 looks to be the same size as my C 15 which only gets used 10% of the time.

All I really wanted was a brushless CXS with a top speed of 1600+ RPM. Everything else could remain the same because it was nigh on perfect as a small drill.

If I needed a larger chuck, I just swapped it out for the one on the C 15.

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[woodferret]

Other than the Vecturo, is there anything else that uses 3ah batteries?

 

[squall_line]

Well this whole CXS thing is very disappointing... [sad] ...that CXS 18 looks to be the same size as my C 15 which only gets used 10% of the time.

All I really wanted was a brushless CXS with a top speed of 1600+ RPM. Everything else could remain the same because it was nigh on perfect as a small drill.

If I needed a larger chuck, I just swapped it out for the one on the C 15.

The fact that they won't put them next to their immediate replacement disappoints me.  It feels like they're hiding the true extra size of these things.

The only thing the CXS-18 has going for it compared to the C-12, 15, or 18 is the trigger is up against the motor body, which means a grip similar to the CXS-10.  Otherwise, it has the same bulk as the C-12/15/18 and a worse clutch setup than the C-12/15/18 because there's no drill/drive selector.

Other than the Vecturo, is there anything else that uses 3ah batteries?

They sold quite a few T-18 and C-18 sets with the 3.1 Ah battery before the 4.0 HiPo came out.  Probably the jigsaws, too and maybe even the Drywall gun.

 

[mrboult]

In addition to the official Festool videos, there's one from Festool Latvia in IRL.


I'm looking forward to side by side comparison with the old ones!

I just realized the other thing I appreciate about the CXS-10; it's in a SYS-1 / M 137, not some over-bloated 187 Systainer.  [eek]  My goodness...

Even with the attic lid, the fact that it needs a 187 is a clear indication that it's no longer a compact tool.

It is almost certainly the charger that requires the larger sys. My festool drills live in SYS1s, Mads possible by the older chargers. The current chargers don’t fit.

 

[mrboult]

They sold quite a few T-18 and C-18 sets with the 3.1 Ah battery before the 4.0 HiPo came out.  Probably the jigsaws, too and maybe even the Drywall gun.

Honestly i don’t think they ever sold the carvex with the small 3.1s.

And my carvex strangely hates the 4.0 batteries. Constantly stops and beeps at me!? It’s fine with the 3.1s, 4.2s, 5.2s etc just those new 4.0s it hates.
My carvex is 5 years old so maybe they’ve altered the new ones to not have this issue? Probably not

 

[homer j]

I was so excited for the new CXS 18. I was hoping there would be 3x more bit storage on it than the previous model. As has already been pointed out, Why IS the systainer so big? It should have a drawer if its going to be that big. Why is the CXS 18 so tall? You only need to put two fingers under the trigger. I hope it doesn't have a delay like my CXS when you squeeze the trigger. I can fully depress the trigger several times rapidly and the bit won't even start spinning. I'm learning to feather the trigger instead of tapping it like everyone does with an impact driver, but it is annoying and seems like a defect. Let me know if this sounds like a defect. (Even though I'm out of warranty) I love Festool tools, but with every single one there is at least one thing that makes me say "what were they thinking"? I often find myself saying, I'll wait for the next version. When the next version (or three) finally comes out, it always falls short of my expectations. These tools are expensive, we shouldn't have to compromise.

 

[festoller]

Here's another short, I guess they'll post more detailed videos soon.

 

[grobkuschelig]

…I hope it doesn't have a delay like my CXS when you squeeze the trigger. I can fully depress the trigger several times rapidly and the bit won't even start spinning. I'm learning to feather the trigger instead of tapping it like everyone does with an impact driver, but it is annoying and seems like a defect. …

It is an install driver, where you want full control.
What the „slow trigger“ gives you, is the ability to make 1/4 of a turn to set a screw perfectly, without thinking twice.

I would never think of operating it „like an impact“. Two completely different target applications. If you want an impact behavior, you are using the wrong tool for the job…