Festool Precisio saws

[Coen]

[member=71478]FestitaMakool[/member], why does the bladeguard have two knobs?

So be able to prevent the sides from dropping down... I guess?

 

[FestitaMakool]

[member=5277]Alex[/member] and [member=11196]Peter Parfitt[/member]
The guard has two knobs: the lower attaches it to the riving knife, the top locks or loosen the top part of the guard. When loose, it floats over your workpiece; “safest”. You may also lock it in a position to better view the saw blade. The bottom part of the guard is fixed, an parallel to the table and follows up and down as you set cut depth. See photos.

Also, some photos of the handle, the trigger, trigger lock knob at the tip of the handle, the speed dial by your thumb, and finally the red stop knob. Handle is also shown when the saw is pulled to the middle locked position. To pull the saw blade you actuate the handle in the same way as a regular door handle, svinging it down to unlock, then pull. It automatically retracts and locks to the rearmost position when you let go of the handle.
Also a photo of the whole set as the full set version.

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Full set version, legs folded
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Underside of the widening table and outfeed table
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Lever the handle to release pull action
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[FestitaMakool]

[member=71478]FestitaMakool[/member], why does the bladeguard have two knobs?

So be able to prevent the sides from dropping down... I guess?

Exactly! And it has one more panel that hooks on to two tabs when you want it out of the way.
I’ve seen other manufactures recently with very similar blade guards. It’s good for dust collection, not visibility. Safety and dc at the cost of visibility. Slightly lifted, and it’s much better to see the cut line.

 

[Stone Message]

Brilliant - many thanks.

Peter

 

[trebuchet]

Has any of you thought about making a router table attachment in a table extension?
Drilling the aluminium base could be a little traumatic (due to the cost of the piece). Is it possible to change the aluminium base of the extension for a, I don't know, a mdf base maintaining the frame?

 

[FestitaMakool]

Has any of you thought about making a router table attachment in a table extension?
Drilling the aluminium base could be a little traumatic (due to the cost of the piece). Is it possible to change the aluminium base of the extension for a, I don't know, a mdf base maintaining the frame?

Easy, don’t cut the table, use this instead: Festool VB-CMS/CS 50 Art. No: 495531
It has a detachable plate ala the MFT/3 VL table.

 

[AlexThePalex]

Yes, I have thought about this and stil plan to do this with the side table extension. I don't see this as traumatic at all, it is just a piece of aluminium and will only add to its functionality and thus its value. I haven't come to it yet because I don't have a need for a router table very often.

You can ofcourse do what Festita said above, but that's a lot of money to spend to avoid cutting 3 little holes.

 

[trebuchet]

The Festool VB-CMS/CS 50 could be ideal but a little pricey to make holes in it...

Is the alu from the standard extension table thick or has grooves or something?
Any photo from below?

I´m thinking the weight of a router may need some extra support from a couple of legs or something

 

[shed9]

Am I right in thinking there is no supported table option for the CS70, i.e. one with legs?

 

[FestitaMakool]

The Festool VB-CMS/CS 50 could be ideal but a little pricey to make holes in it...

Is the alu from the standard extension table thick or has grooves or something?
Any photo from below?

I´m thinking the weight of a router may need some extra support from a couple of legs or something

The VB-CMS/CS 50 has a blind plate, identical in construction to the CMS. system. So either you make a plate with router insert, use Festool CMS-OF or cut out for a router plate on the blind plate that comes with it. This blind plate itself is thin, one layer, as the CMS module plates.

Se above for photo under the widening table - it consists of two extrusions, combined and surrounded with a V extrusion, both thick (double) and there’s tracks too.

 

[FestitaMakool]

Am I right in thinking there is no supported table option for the CS70, i.e. one with legs?

No, there isn’t. But the length of the CS 70 matches the with of the MFT/3... So a VL table might do.

 

[trebuchet]

Am I right in thinking there is no supported table option for the CS70, i.e. one with legs?

No, there isn’t. But the length of the CS 70 matches the with of the MFT/3... So a VL table might do.

Interesting. So the LA 70 fence works on the mft table?
The mft itself can be a router table then

 

[bertv]

Am I right in thinking there is no supported table option for the CS70, i.e. one with legs?

No, there isn’t. But the length of the CS 70 matches the with of the MFT/3... So a VL table might do.

Interesting. So the LA 70 fence works on the mft table?
The mft itself can be a router table then

Yes, it does. But the fence doesn’t what a router fence does, eg having an adaptable opening for the bit, the possibility of offsetting the input to the output side ('poorman’s planer'), dust extraction, etc.

 

[GarryMartin]

The VB-CMS/CS 50 has a blind plate, identical in construction to the CMS. system. So either you make a plate with router insert, use Festool CMS-OF or cut out for a router plate on the blind plate that comes with it. This blind plate itself is thin, one layer, as the CMS module plates.

This is not correct, unfortunately. The blank plate in the VB-CMS/CS 50 is not the same size as those that are used in the CMS GE or MFT/3-VL tables. The CMS OF plate will not fit.

 

[FestitaMakool]

Hi [member=11629]GarryMartin[/member]
That is correct, the CMS plates will not drop in straight, point is that it’s is of the same construction as the MFT/VL table, only shorter. If you remove the plastic end caps of the table and fabricate new ones in plywood or similar, the OF plate will drop in with minor modification (cut/file away) to the ends of the strengthening profile on the underside of the plate. I’m going to do this mod later, to have all the plates drop into this table as well. The mods doesn’t affect the top surface of the plates.

 

[trebuchet]

Hi [member=11629]GarryMartin[/member]
That is correct, the CMS plates will not drop in straight, point is that it’s is of the same construction as the MFT/VL table, only shorter. If you remove the plastic end caps of the table and fabricate new ones in plywood or similar, the OF plate will drop in with minor modification (cut/file away) to the ends of the strengthening profile on the underside of the plate. I’m going to do this mod later, to have all the plates drop into this table as well. The mods doesn’t affect the top surface of the plates.

keep us updated! 

 

[FestitaMakool]

Well, here’s the proof:

TS 55R module in situ. I have marked the places where the module “protrudes” beyond the blind plate that comes with the table. The plastic end caps (similar to what’s on the MFT/VL table) are shown just placed loosely where they normally sit. As you can see, there’s little trimming t do on these. Although, I’m making some in plywood maybe with a T-track on one end and a sticky scale on the other side, just routing out the space for the top plate to make everything snug.  [wink]

As I remember, the TS and PS 300 plates drop in, the old OF must be filed a bit on the underside profile. I haven’t tried the new OF plate, but I think it will drop in too without modifications. Easy to check as I have them both. Only it sits in the MFT/VL with the OF 1400 attached.

Photos shown with the TS 55R module.

Plastic end caps placed losely:
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[Coen]

Do you have a pic of the newer legs and especially the upper tube end?

Why do you have a CMS-TS and a CS50?  [tongue]

Or did you buy the CS50 later? Because if you started with the CS50, buying a CMS-TS would be silly.

 

[FestitaMakool]

I can have a pic tomorrow  [wink]

I thought I’d buy the CMS first, with a TS 55 and the GE table and module. But while I was deciding, and selling my Bosch saws, the CMS went obsolete.. I started looking for a pre-owned CS 70 set, but these and the CS 50 had high resell prices so I wanted a new one instead. I ended up with the CS 50 because I was tired of dragging 35 Kg’s in and out of doors.

Then I started to hunt for CMS tables and modules, as I liked “the system” - I have a TS 75 which I also lastly found a module for, but I did buy the TS 55 module first, as the TS 75 module is very rare, but I got lucky on a trip to Sweden, where a dealer had all modules except OF in stock. So I came home with a PS and a TS 75 module. The TS 55 module sits by till I get a TS 55  [popcorn]. Like I said, I really like the compact system, It allows me a comprehensive setup in a small space. And I need the mobility - to use in the summertime at our cabin.

 

[Coen]

Why the hunting? I went to my dealer and handed him a list of the TS plate but all in parts. Few days later I picked up the box of parts, hehe.

pos nr Festool part nr Omschrijving Aantal Excl. BTW Incl. BTW Subtotaal
1 228521 Verzonken bout M6 x 16 2 € 0,72 € 0,87 € 1,74
2 403038 Verzonken bout M6 x 25 1 € 0,72 € 0,87 € 0,87
3 402365 Verzonken bout M6 x 10 6 € 0,72 € 0,87 € 5,22
4 437177 Bout 2 € 14,86 € 17,98 € 35,96
5 490060 Profielplaat 1 € 57,71 € 69,83 € 69,83
6 227448 Spanstift 2 x 8 mm 2 € 0,72 € 0,87 € 1,74
7 437176 Draaisluiting 2 € 0,86 € 1,04 € 2,08
8 200578 Schijf 6,4 mm 3 € 0,72 € 0,87 € 2,61
9 228541 Zeskantbout M6 2 € 0,72 € 0,87 € 1,74
10 458957 Klemplaat 1 € 8,41 € 10,18 € 10,18
11 483350 Draaiknop M6 1 € 3,34 € 4,04 € 4,04
12 458430 Verstijving 2 € 9,00 € 10,89 € 21,78
13 200601 Zeskantbout M6 1 € 0,72 € 0,87 € 0,87
14 207813 Drukveer 1 € 0,72 € 0,87 € 0,87
15 444356 Plaat PS 2 / PS 200 1 € 0,76 € 0,92 € 0,92
15 449657 Plaat PS 300 1 € 0,72 € 0,87 € 0,87
16 437161 Klemplaat 1 € 10,00 € 12,10 € 12,10

Totaal € 172,50

^ This is for the PS300.

The nice thing is that the CMS and CS50 and MFT all share the same height and CMS and CS 50 the same sliding table, etc. I've used my sliding table with both CS and CMS.

But the parallel fence is still garbage  [cool]