I second Per's statement. In terms of the folding rule, now if only I can find a metric version with the brass extension....anyone know where I can buy one? The imperial one that I have is a pain in the butt with Festool - conversion all the time.
Festool Tape Measure "ERROR"
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Christian A.
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Hi folks,
which requirements/standards does the Festool (BMI) tape measure fulfill? There should be a mark on each tape like "I", "II" or "III" that stands for a certain EG class.
Unfortunatley, I can't offer detailed information (such as the temperature at which the tape measures must fulfill the standards) but these are the basics, as far as I know:
Tolerances regarding the length of the tape in mm ?:
Class I:
0.5 m: 0.2 mm
1 m: 0.2 mm
1.5 m: 0.3 mm
2 m: 0.3 mm
3 m: 0.4 mm
5 m: 0.6 mm
10 m:1.1 mm
15 m: 1.6 mm
20 m: 2.1 mm
25 m: 2.6 mm
30 m: 3.1 mm
50 m: 5.1 mm
100 m: 10.1 mm
Class II:
0.5 m: 0.5 mm
1 m: 0.5 mm
1.5 m: 0.7 mm
2 m: 0.7 mm
3 m: 0.9 mm
5 m: 1.3 mm
10 m: 2.3 mm
15 m: 3.3 mm
20 m: 4.3 mm
25 m: 5.3 mm
30 m: 6.3 mm
50 m: 10.3 mm
100 m: 20.3 mm
Class III:
0.5 m: 1.0 mm
1 m: 1.0 mm
1.5 m: 1.4 mm
2 m: 1.4 mm
3 m: 1.8 mm
5 m: 2.6 mm
10 m: 4.6 mm
15 m: 6.6 mm
20 m: 8.6 mm
25 m: 10.6 mm
30 m: 12.6 mm
50 m: 20.6 mm
100 m: 40.6 mm
Have a nice weekend,
Christian
which requirements/standards does the Festool (BMI) tape measure fulfill? There should be a mark on each tape like "I", "II" or "III" that stands for a certain EG class.
Unfortunatley, I can't offer detailed information (such as the temperature at which the tape measures must fulfill the standards) but these are the basics, as far as I know:
Tolerances regarding the length of the tape in mm ?:
Class I:
0.5 m: 0.2 mm
1 m: 0.2 mm
1.5 m: 0.3 mm
2 m: 0.3 mm
3 m: 0.4 mm
5 m: 0.6 mm
10 m:1.1 mm
15 m: 1.6 mm
20 m: 2.1 mm
25 m: 2.6 mm
30 m: 3.1 mm
50 m: 5.1 mm
100 m: 10.1 mm
Class II:
0.5 m: 0.5 mm
1 m: 0.5 mm
1.5 m: 0.7 mm
2 m: 0.7 mm
3 m: 0.9 mm
5 m: 1.3 mm
10 m: 2.3 mm
15 m: 3.3 mm
20 m: 4.3 mm
25 m: 5.3 mm
30 m: 6.3 mm
50 m: 10.3 mm
100 m: 20.3 mm
Class III:
0.5 m: 1.0 mm
1 m: 1.0 mm
1.5 m: 1.4 mm
2 m: 1.4 mm
3 m: 1.8 mm
5 m: 2.6 mm
10 m: 4.6 mm
15 m: 6.6 mm
20 m: 8.6 mm
25 m: 10.6 mm
30 m: 12.6 mm
50 m: 20.6 mm
100 m: 40.6 mm
Have a nice weekend,
Christian
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Christian A. said:
Christian, thanks for the specs and mentioning temperature. Since temperature affects the length of the steel that probably accounts for the increment creep I see in many tapes. Once in a while I notice a jump but usually there is an accumulating error that would correspond to a too long (to warm) or too short (too cool) blank of steel being printed.
Problems with the tongue and it's mounting usually result in the most noticeable errors. If you are lucky a rivet is just a little tight and exercising it can solve the problem, as John Lucas suggested.
Per will point out that his folding rule won't suffer from tongue mounting issues and wood is much less susceptible to temperature creep. I use the folding rule for inside measures but I've always been suspicious of all those rivets. But, use the same stick and it doesn't matter.
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Per will point out that the folding rules metal parts are brass. ;D
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Eli, let us know how the laser works out.
I had a gadget a couple of years ago, Allegedly a "Laser" tape measure, actually the laser was just there to aim the thing (basically a built in laser pointer) the measuring was done with high pitched sound (hypersonics?) acuracy was pitiful, good for rough estimating a room size for tiling, but useless for woodwork (not only did you have to have something hard at the end measuring point, but it was accurate to about 10% at 8'
I see Bosch just came out with a laser measuring thingy, interesting, I'd try again if it is any good.
I had a gadget a couple of years ago, Allegedly a "Laser" tape measure, actually the laser was just there to aim the thing (basically a built in laser pointer) the measuring was done with high pitched sound (hypersonics?) acuracy was pitiful, good for rough estimating a room size for tiling, but useless for woodwork (not only did you have to have something hard at the end measuring point, but it was accurate to about 10% at 8'
I see Bosch just came out with a laser measuring thingy, interesting, I'd try again if it is any good.
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I have one of those contraptions.
I also spent quite a few dollahbills for accuracy.
Its so darn good, the kid that held the dummy end of the tape
is now employed as a Barista.
Don't feel guilty buy a Hilti.
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Per
I also spent quite a few dollahbills for accuracy.
Its so darn good, the kid that held the dummy end of the tape
is now employed as a Barista.
Don't feel guilty buy a Hilti.
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Per
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Per Swenson said:
True!
I have the same one. Accurate to 1/16" (as in +- 1/32") up to 4 or 500 feet.
Insensitive to temperature fluctuations, no sticky tongue, and best of all, no rivets ;D
If you are shopping for a laser rangefinder make sure it is accurate to 1/16".
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We have 3 of those bosch,really nice and very accurate,and small. love it!Steve Jones said:
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I just picked up the Bosch myself, haven't had a chance to use it yet.
The laser (We have the Hilti PD32, not their best but it's great, 1/16" acc. up to 650') is great for measuring wall to wall. If I'm up 10'-12' on a ladder trying to measure some crown molding, I sure hate trying to do it with a tape. Especially depending on the span. If you use a tape wall to wall, you have to measure from both sides to a known point to really get within 1/16" anyway. The laser doesn't get used every day but, about every other day. When we go out to do a measure on a room to give an estimate we rarely have to use a tape. The laser will save you so much time and once you begin to trust (I used both on the same measurement for a while) it you'll be hooked.
Chris...
Chris...
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Per,
went and explored the features of that Hilti you use - amazing!
To measure up for a job I wouldn't need anything other that that neat gadget (not even a notepad).
Do you find in real life that you use those fancy computer features or do you just use it as a dummy- free tape measure?
(Reason for the question: Bosch without the drawing and computer tools is about $350, Hilti over twice that)
went and explored the features of that Hilti you use - amazing!
To measure up for a job I wouldn't need anything other that that neat gadget (not even a notepad).
Do you find in real life that you use those fancy computer features or do you just use it as a dummy- free tape measure?
(Reason for the question: Bosch without the drawing and computer tools is about $350, Hilti over twice that)
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Hi Steve,
Real life, dummy ended tape 95%.
5% "Oh you think that's cool....watch this."
Oh the carpet guy was here to measure?
And what did he tell you? Really? Call him back and ask him
why he calculated 40% for waste.
Hvac sales man will hate you too.
Otherwise,
Besides crown and stuff, this Hilti shines for floor to ceiling stud measurements,
in old construction and basements.
Now with this Hilti, my ipod connected to the bosch boom box, and a robotic truck unloader....
I could work like a hermit.
What does the Bosch have to do with this?
Don't tell me your helpers main job isn't to change CDs.
Sure seems to end up being that way to me.
Per
Real life, dummy ended tape 95%.
5% "Oh you think that's cool....watch this."
Oh the carpet guy was here to measure?
And what did he tell you? Really? Call him back and ask him
why he calculated 40% for waste.
Hvac sales man will hate you too.
Otherwise,
Besides crown and stuff, this Hilti shines for floor to ceiling stud measurements,
in old construction and basements.
Now with this Hilti, my ipod connected to the bosch boom box, and a robotic truck unloader....
I could work like a hermit.
What does the Bosch have to do with this?
Don't tell me your helpers main job isn't to change CDs.
Sure seems to end up being that way to me.
Per
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Okay I got the Festool tape. As soon as I put it in my hand it felt like crap. For 25.00 I expect the quality of any Stanley fat max or the like. The talmeter is much better too.
The tape feels flimsy, it's to light, the blade is shi* and is way to thin and narrow.
It is off over a 1/8" at 24" not that I care about that.
Totally disappointed. Even my 7.95 fast caps are better by far.
Nickao
The tape feels flimsy, it's to light, the blade is shi* and is way to thin and narrow.
It is off over a 1/8" at 24" not that I care about that.
Totally disappointed. Even my 7.95 fast caps are better by far.
Nickao
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Per Swenson said:
Put your ipod on shuffle and send your helper back to school
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I suspected it was not going to live up to the name when I first heard then verified it in person. Perhaps sending it back may send a message back to corporate.
If a perspective customer......riding the Festool fence were to get their hands and based their buying decision on this single piece of "Festessory", I assure you they would not be impressed.
That tape measure should be given away as a free marketing piece with no user expectations. At 25.00 though you bet your sweet A$$ people are going to complain.
I think I'll pass on those safety glasses too!
If a perspective customer......riding the Festool fence were to get their hands and based their buying decision on this single piece of "Festessory", I assure you they would not be impressed.
That tape measure should be given away as a free marketing piece with no user expectations. At 25.00 though you bet your sweet A$$ people are going to complain.
I think I'll pass on those safety glasses too!
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Yeah, free sounds good. This thing would not last two days on a job site. Luckily, I am in the shop and do not use tapes that much. I will grab my fast caps first after my Woodpeck rules, which I use the most.
Woodpeck Just came out with new less expensive rules that are really affordable check those out. I purchased all four today. If they are as good as all the other Woodpeck stuff I have they are a bargain. I will let you know.
New Wooodpeck Rules
Nickao
Woodpeck Just came out with new less expensive rules that are really affordable check those out. I purchased all four today. If they are as good as all the other Woodpeck stuff I have they are a bargain. I will let you know.
New Wooodpeck Rules
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Hi,
Nick, definitely post about the new rules when you get them. I am planning to get at least the 36". I am particularly interested to know about the centering scale. I have the 48" SERX, straight edge rule. Love it!
Speaking of measuring device accuracy in general... I have several of the Woodpeckers items, something really nice is that they all check out against each other. Both measurement wise, and for square. I can routinely switch between them with no fear of one giving a different result from the other.
Seth
Nick, definitely post about the new rules when you get them. I am planning to get at least the 36". I am particularly interested to know about the centering scale. I have the 48" SERX, straight edge rule. Love it!
Speaking of measuring device accuracy in general... I have several of the Woodpeckers items, something really nice is that they all check out against each other. Both measurement wise, and for square. I can routinely switch between them with no fear of one giving a different result from the other.
Seth
