Workshop sooner?!
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JMB,
I don't know how much experience you have had with operating equipment, especially with large loading buckets and forks.
Be aware of tipping problems. The temptation, especially with the forks, is to move loads that ae very close to capacity. The forks will give you a great capacity for moving heavy pallets from unloading point to usage location. Be aware of the weights you will be moving and know the capacity of your machine.
Straight ahead is not so bad. It is when you are operating on uneven ground and, especially, when making turns. I would expect for the forks, the tipping load for your machine might be as much as 1000 #s less in full turn as opposed to straight ahead. Uneven ground would be even worse.
Get into the habit of carrying your load low. I cringe every time i see somebody moving heavy loads with the bucket/forks carried at truckbed height while moving from point A to point B. When the machine weighs 20 tons, that is not a big problem. What does your machine weigh? 3 tons? You may have a hydraulic capacity to lift more than 1/2 the weight of the machine (I have not checked the specs, but will try later on today.) That could be disaster if you carry load high, especially when making a turn. There is always a temptation to save time by not lowering the load while moving. Consciously force yourself to lower the load.
I see a lot of mud on your tires. you haven't even scratched the pant and you are dirtying your toy and bringing the mud into your very nice shop area. Not even a roof on the shop! [ban] OK, i guess i would have done the same [doh] Be aware that soft gound can present the same problems I have already mentioned. Keep the load low. Always
Have fun with your new toy.
One other thing to be very careful of. Don't let any of the help operate until you KNOW they are experienced or have had (and can retain) thoro instruction and you are very confident they can handle the machine SAFELY. Some people can listen, but as soon as they are in the operators seat can go a bit daffy.
Tinker
I don't know how much experience you have had with operating equipment, especially with large loading buckets and forks.
Be aware of tipping problems. The temptation, especially with the forks, is to move loads that ae very close to capacity. The forks will give you a great capacity for moving heavy pallets from unloading point to usage location. Be aware of the weights you will be moving and know the capacity of your machine.
Straight ahead is not so bad. It is when you are operating on uneven ground and, especially, when making turns. I would expect for the forks, the tipping load for your machine might be as much as 1000 #s less in full turn as opposed to straight ahead. Uneven ground would be even worse.
Get into the habit of carrying your load low. I cringe every time i see somebody moving heavy loads with the bucket/forks carried at truckbed height while moving from point A to point B. When the machine weighs 20 tons, that is not a big problem. What does your machine weigh? 3 tons? You may have a hydraulic capacity to lift more than 1/2 the weight of the machine (I have not checked the specs, but will try later on today.) That could be disaster if you carry load high, especially when making a turn. There is always a temptation to save time by not lowering the load while moving. Consciously force yourself to lower the load.
I see a lot of mud on your tires. you haven't even scratched the pant and you are dirtying your toy and bringing the mud into your very nice shop area. Not even a roof on the shop! [ban] OK, i guess i would have done the same [doh] Be aware that soft gound can present the same problems I have already mentioned. Keep the load low. Always
Have fun with your new toy.
One other thing to be very careful of. Don't let any of the help operate until you KNOW they are experienced or have had (and can retain) thoro instruction and you are very confident they can handle the machine SAFELY. Some people can listen, but as soon as they are in the operators seat can go a bit daffy.
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Tinker said:
When I was 19-20 I worked in a London brewery and remember seeing a fork lift truck accident. The guy had 2 pallets of 1/2 pint bottles in crates (each pallet could hold 64 crates of 24 bottles) on his machine and he did not lower the forks before moving. The whole lot came off, bottles exploding everywhere. Nobody was hurt but I reckoned it was safer to join the Army after that!
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Tinker said:
Yeah i fully understand and I would never lift heavy stuff any higher than it needed to b so basically just above the ground
when in motion.
The machine has max load of 1.4ton hydrolic. But with the weights I have added it can lift 1.1 to 1.2 ton I would have to add more weight to lift more. I think the machine only weighs just over 1.2 ton can't remember ill have a look in abit I know it's not a lot any way.
I was warned by the dealer that when turning with this type of machine that your rear weights are not as affective as they are not directly behind you.
I know it's all dirty I am guted lol can't help it
I would never let any one use it apart from my parents I know if they damage it they will pay for the damage lol plus my mum wants the sweeping brush attachments to clean the drive but she has to buy them I'm not paying for them lol
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Kev said:
LoL no not a Cnc sent that of the be painted green lol Joke! It's out of my hands been told its coming next Monday but that was not for definate. So just gotta wait. That's why I bought the gazebo that's where the Cnc wil be living for abit. I'm in no rush for the Cnc to be honest got enough on the go.
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Alan m said:
True
I was in my very late 30's when i got my first backhoe. My son was about 2 or 3 yrs old and short of hitting him over the head with a club, it was nearly impossible to keep him away from the machinery. I layed down some very strict rules for him to adhere to around ANY equipment or vehicles. (I had to learn the same rules when growing up on my uncle's farm, only in those days, the rules applied to working around farm animals) If he slacked on any one rule, he would be grounded for anywhere from a day to maybe a week. Many tears would ensue along with the following great sulk. Those were as tough on teacher as on the student, believe me.
By the time he was 5, he was well enough indoctrinated with rules AND experience that i decided he could try moving some rocks with the backhoe. He could, by then, do anything else wth the machine. Picking up stones requires an advanced skill not every operator can manage. I can do it, but i need to worry a stone around the lot a bit before I can be successful. I stayed on the machine with my son for a while until i was confident he could do the operation without shaking him off the seat. When he proved he could do the job, i gave him some advice about not trying to work too fast. to keep the machine at slow RPM's and not to allow frustration to creep into his head. After watching him, i decided he was doing fine; and inspite of seeing his tungue moving in about twenty directions at once, he was not gong to bite it off, I left him alone while i went into the house.
As I was walking thru the main hall, my wife met me. "Where are you going?" she asked. I'm sure some of her concern, in fact, all of her concern at the moment was that my feet probably had some dirt on the soles. She was determined I should not go tracking thru the house.
"I'm after the camera."
"I'll get it. You stay put."
As she returned with the camera, she all of a sudden realized there was a whole lot of racket, iron against stone sort of racket, outside. I was inside. Her eyes opened wide and her jaw bumped into her kneecaps. "Wayne Tinker, YOU ARE CRAZY!" she yelled as she pushed past me to look out thru the picture window we had recently installed in our kitchen. She looked out to see young son, David, calmly moving rocks. She looked for about two seconds, put her hands over her eyes an exclaimed, "I can't look!" and ran into the living room. She turned around with fire in her eyes and repaeted, "Wayne Tinker, You are crazy!" and ran back to the picture window. She repeated the same movements and exclamations thru several repetitions unttil she finally calmed down.
Once a moderate degree of calmness had been restored, I finally told her, "Look, right now, he thinks i am the smartest man in the world and he listens to everything I tell him. If i wait until he is sixteen to teach him, he will think he knows more than i have forgotten. He won't listen to a thing I tell him."
By the time he was sixteen, my son was a much better operator than I. By the time he was 19, he bought his own equipment. He bought it without my signature on any of the papers. By now, his toys are big enough that he could pick up my biggest machine, ever, with any one of several of his machines. He's in his mid forties (He is actually older than me. I am only 39) and the only accident he has had to his body was a broken foot. He was very quick to admit he had done something I had warned him against long before i ever allowed him to operate a machine. He had tried to start his excavator while standing on the ground. The tracks ran over, and broke his foot.
Tinker
By the time he was 5, he was well enough indoctrinated with rules AND experience that i decided he could try moving some rocks with the backhoe. He could, by then, do anything else wth the machine. Picking up stones requires an advanced skill not every operator can manage. I can do it, but i need to worry a stone around the lot a bit before I can be successful. I stayed on the machine with my son for a while until i was confident he could do the operation without shaking him off the seat. When he proved he could do the job, i gave him some advice about not trying to work too fast. to keep the machine at slow RPM's and not to allow frustration to creep into his head. After watching him, i decided he was doing fine; and inspite of seeing his tungue moving in about twenty directions at once, he was not gong to bite it off, I left him alone while i went into the house.
As I was walking thru the main hall, my wife met me. "Where are you going?" she asked. I'm sure some of her concern, in fact, all of her concern at the moment was that my feet probably had some dirt on the soles. She was determined I should not go tracking thru the house.
"I'm after the camera."
"I'll get it. You stay put."
As she returned with the camera, she all of a sudden realized there was a whole lot of racket, iron against stone sort of racket, outside. I was inside. Her eyes opened wide and her jaw bumped into her kneecaps. "Wayne Tinker, YOU ARE CRAZY!" she yelled as she pushed past me to look out thru the picture window we had recently installed in our kitchen. She looked out to see young son, David, calmly moving rocks. She looked for about two seconds, put her hands over her eyes an exclaimed, "I can't look!" and ran into the living room. She turned around with fire in her eyes and repaeted, "Wayne Tinker, You are crazy!" and ran back to the picture window. She repeated the same movements and exclamations thru several repetitions unttil she finally calmed down.
Once a moderate degree of calmness had been restored, I finally told her, "Look, right now, he thinks i am the smartest man in the world and he listens to everything I tell him. If i wait until he is sixteen to teach him, he will think he knows more than i have forgotten. He won't listen to a thing I tell him."
By the time he was sixteen, my son was a much better operator than I. By the time he was 19, he bought his own equipment. He bought it without my signature on any of the papers. By now, his toys are big enough that he could pick up my biggest machine, ever, with any one of several of his machines. He's in his mid forties (He is actually older than me. I am only 39) and the only accident he has had to his body was a broken foot. He was very quick to admit he had done something I had warned him against long before i ever allowed him to operate a machine. He had tried to start his excavator while standing on the ground. The tracks ran over, and broke his foot.
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Have the JCB bullies gone yet?
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galwaydude18 said:
No [mad] they came back to us and might be backing down but we don't know yet.
We will never backdown that's for sure! they think because they are big they can do what they want! It's our land end off and we are keeping it!
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woodguy7 said:
Long story Alan but to cut it very short jcb are putting a sound barrier fence up but started to erect it on our land we complained we came to agreement the remaining part of the fence to be erected further back but when we came back they didn't listen and just carried on where they wanted the fence. So we stopped the job and to get of our land. Then they got some fancy company with GPS systems and came back to use saying that actually we were on their land and that another metre of land is theirs and that we pay jcb rent for the land.
Even though we having paving on this land they claim is their for 10years and the laid hedge has been their before jcb even existed . The people who lived here owned the land and their parents so a very long time
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Alan m said:
We got them from land registry but they also told us they are not accurate and can not be used to define a boundary. Especially in rural areas.
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Ha I don't know about that. I used to work in an architects office and always used maps for defining site boundaries when drawing up site layouts and never ran into any bother doing it that way. In fact once I knew the scale of the map I would always scan it in and scale it up in Autocad to full size and traced around the boundary for the site layout map.
Don't back down. If the keep insisting it's their land and don't believe your surveyor and you don't believe theirs ye might have to get an independent surveyor to settle the dispute and one thing for sure it DO NOT LET THEM DO ANY WORK until the dispute is resolved.
Don't back down. If the keep insisting it's their land and don't believe your surveyor and you don't believe theirs ye might have to get an independent surveyor to settle the dispute and one thing for sure it DO NOT LET THEM DO ANY WORK until the dispute is resolved.
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galwaydude18 said:
Yeah jcb keep on wanting to finish the fence off and then sort the boundary issues after and if we win they say they will move the fence. But no way are we letting them carry on as they will once the fence is finished just ignore our requests and just drag it out.
They demand replies/answers from us instantly but take days to get back to us. It's all bully tactics which don't scare us.
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Perhaps if you'd have bought one of their yellow toys instead of the green one JCB might have been more conciliatory. 
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promhandicam said:Perhaps if you'd have bought one of their yellow toys instead of the green one JCB might have been more conciliatory.
Haa haa it's cus of this I dismissed buying a jcb! Plus anything yellow which comes close to what my green machine can do cost a lot more money! And got a mate who works for jcb sales admited the green avant is a very well made machine Finnish engineering is good!
I live on in an area where all of the original houses had been built as summer vacation homes. The lots are all 1/4 to 1/2 acre lots and the original layouts had been somewhat lax in following plot plans. I know on one neighbor whose property line actually runs thru the neighbors kitchen. Another lot line in the area goes thru another neighbors living room nearly cutting the house in half. My own lot had portions of 3 septic systems on it. i knew it when i bought, but as i had expected, the problem came in very handy years later when the two encroaching neighbors decided to make a fuss about my own business nonconformity. but that is another couple of funny stories that i won't get into here. i did eventually sort out the septic problems and have managed to increase the capacity of my own system.
the front of my property fronts against a corner in the road. Once i obtained my own back hoe and loader, i decided to level my hillside property along the road so i could increase my septic capacity. (I'm sure there are those in attendance here who might even suggest that my propensity for stories might indicate a serious need for septic system expansion [scratch chin]) I first built a high stone retaining wall (about 8 feet high using stones anywhere from hand held size to many weighing as much as 1/2 ton) immediately in front of the house. With that step completed, i levealed of a narrow area between the first wall and the roadway. i built a low, 18" to 24" high along the edge of the corner of the road. As i was placing the last two or three stones, i looked up to see a car stopped beside me.
"Do you know your wall is on right of way property?"
"Not according to my map, it isn't"
"I think you should move the wall off of the right of way."
"Who are you?" I was thinking he was just a nosey neighbor and wanted to give me a hard time. The corner stakes were still at the property corners and the road had what seemed to be the proper curve. i felt i was on firm ground if push came to shove.
"I own the road," the man replied. I knew the road had been put in at same time as the entire area had been developed. I also knew that the road had never met with town specifications to be accepted by the town. i had not know, until then, who really owned the road. We discussed the matter for a little while and i found the road owner to be not too hard to get along with and he assured me he was really ok with my construction. He was not going to try to improve the road, but if he could ever unload responsibility, the town migh force me to move the wall. we ended our conversation ammicably and i finished my project.
Sometime before the above conversation, a friend had located a very heavy granite post that had, at one time, been used as a corner highway marker. he had found it lying in the woods and the two of us had driven into the forest to retrieve the marker. We were both a little lubed up with suds of Bud fame and by the time we had loaded the granite marker onto my truck, my back was in somewhat bad shape and my friend had a big bruise on his leg so he could barely walk the next day. When I got home with the stone, i could not move it without the hlp of my newly acquired skid steer loader. i had an idea where i wanted to put the stone, but wanted to finish my stonewalls first.
After my conversation with the "road owner", I knew exactly where it would reside. I had an old rusty oil drum lying in the brush that i had planned to take to the land fill, but it was just perfect to fill with concrete and to bury the bottom (very rough elongated ball) of my granite post. With the assistance of my trusty skid steer with 4in1 hydraulic bucket, i had little trouble in placing just right and in full view of all who might drive past my property.
The "road owner" was also the owner of a popular restaurant in town; a great eating place that, once i had made acquaintance with the owner, my wife, 2 kids and I made use of many times over the next several years. when i got to know the man a little better and realized he really had a sense of humor, i told him about the stone at the corner of my wall and what was the significance.
We all know the significance of raising a single finger for prominence of view. Need I explain any further? [ban] I needed no extra description for him.
Tinker
PS: A few years later, when I wanted to add on the the front of my house, i had to have a new survey and found out that not only was the lower wall on roadway property, so was some of the high wall as well. Oh well, no body in the neighborhood wants the road widened. they all are aware that widening would very likely lead to an increase in traffic as well as traffic SPEED. There is a guy who lives right on a corner of the road who makes sure everybody in the development understands that. :
the front of my property fronts against a corner in the road. Once i obtained my own back hoe and loader, i decided to level my hillside property along the road so i could increase my septic capacity. (I'm sure there are those in attendance here who might even suggest that my propensity for stories might indicate a serious need for septic system expansion [scratch chin]) I first built a high stone retaining wall (about 8 feet high using stones anywhere from hand held size to many weighing as much as 1/2 ton) immediately in front of the house. With that step completed, i levealed of a narrow area between the first wall and the roadway. i built a low, 18" to 24" high along the edge of the corner of the road. As i was placing the last two or three stones, i looked up to see a car stopped beside me.
"Do you know your wall is on right of way property?"
"Not according to my map, it isn't"
"I think you should move the wall off of the right of way."
"Who are you?" I was thinking he was just a nosey neighbor and wanted to give me a hard time. The corner stakes were still at the property corners and the road had what seemed to be the proper curve. i felt i was on firm ground if push came to shove.
"I own the road," the man replied. I knew the road had been put in at same time as the entire area had been developed. I also knew that the road had never met with town specifications to be accepted by the town. i had not know, until then, who really owned the road. We discussed the matter for a little while and i found the road owner to be not too hard to get along with and he assured me he was really ok with my construction. He was not going to try to improve the road, but if he could ever unload responsibility, the town migh force me to move the wall. we ended our conversation ammicably and i finished my project.
Sometime before the above conversation, a friend had located a very heavy granite post that had, at one time, been used as a corner highway marker. he had found it lying in the woods and the two of us had driven into the forest to retrieve the marker. We were both a little lubed up with suds of Bud fame and by the time we had loaded the granite marker onto my truck, my back was in somewhat bad shape and my friend had a big bruise on his leg so he could barely walk the next day. When I got home with the stone, i could not move it without the hlp of my newly acquired skid steer loader. i had an idea where i wanted to put the stone, but wanted to finish my stonewalls first.
After my conversation with the "road owner", I knew exactly where it would reside. I had an old rusty oil drum lying in the brush that i had planned to take to the land fill, but it was just perfect to fill with concrete and to bury the bottom (very rough elongated ball) of my granite post. With the assistance of my trusty skid steer with 4in1 hydraulic bucket, i had little trouble in placing just right and in full view of all who might drive past my property.
The "road owner" was also the owner of a popular restaurant in town; a great eating place that, once i had made acquaintance with the owner, my wife, 2 kids and I made use of many times over the next several years. when i got to know the man a little better and realized he really had a sense of humor, i told him about the stone at the corner of my wall and what was the significance.
We all know the significance of raising a single finger for prominence of view. Need I explain any further? [ban] I needed no extra description for him.
Tinker
PS: A few years later, when I wanted to add on the the front of my house, i had to have a new survey and found out that not only was the lower wall on roadway property, so was some of the high wall as well. Oh well, no body in the neighborhood wants the road widened. they all are aware that widening would very likely lead to an increase in traffic as well as traffic SPEED. There is a guy who lives right on a corner of the road who makes sure everybody in the development understands that. :
