Goods from Banggood

[ChuckM]

Snip. And if you mess up in the review you either incorporate that into your rating, or you go back and get more experience before reviewing.

Laziness certainly doesn't bode well in the eyes of a knowledgeable audience.

It's interesting that many people share their reviews (good or bad) based on their one-time use or limited exposure to the tool in question. The Kapex comes to mind as I write.

But the trophy goes to those who have never used or even touched a particular tool but go on to say that it's a scam.

 

[smorgasbord]

Dennis' newest video shows he has lost touch with his audience. He's gone from saving people $50 to buy a Chinese made doweling jig to now recommending they spend over a thousand dollars on a automated blast gate system.

In his newest, he attempts to return to his roots, reviewing Chinese tools. But, he can't even review the latest Chinese tool because it doesn't work on his nice Felder sliding tablesaw with an aluminum extrusion for fence.
The irony is thick.

 

[onocoffee]

But the trophy goes to those who have never used or even touched a particular tool but go on to say that it's a scam.

You already know there's a lot of people who say that about Festool.

I can only laugh.

 

[luvmytoolz]

You already know there's a lot of people who say that about Festool.

I can only laugh.

I do a bit of insta and anytime anything Festool comes up, the comments are immediately filled with vitriol and hate the likes of which are normally reserved by the rabid minority for posts on wood/resin projects!

I find it's absolutely pointless to clarify or respond to anything as it appears to operate as an exclusive "I hate anything more expensive than I bought" club.

 

[Woodenfish]

This old thread must still has legs? Everything I have purchased from Hongdui via Banggood has been of exceptional quality. I have also purchased a few of the other brands on the website with very good quality for the money. Many folks talk about the Chinese and IP theft. I don’t know if that applies to woodworking tools as most of them have been around forever and I don’t see any patent claims on any of them.

I see a lot of commenters being critical of some of the low cost Chinese import tools being anodized red like that gives the tool added performance, durability or increases its collective value because Woodpeckers tools are red. Personally, I like white printing on a black background. Tool brands have become akin to sports teams and folks like rooting for their favorite but in others eyes not so much. There are a great deal of woodworking tools out there and the brands seem to increase every week. As long as everyone is out there having fun it’s alright by me no matter what they choose to buy.

 

[ChuckM]

Many folks talk about the Chinese and IP theft. I don’t know if that applies to woodworking tools as most of them have been around forever and I don’t see any patent claims on any of them.

You're kidding, eh?

 

[Mini Me]

You're kidding, eh?

No, US companies copy stuff all the time as do every other nation's manufacturers. Woodpeckers are a prime example of this for a lot of their range. Someone had the idea of making a cordless drill and every other manufacturer copied it, watch what happens when the patent on the Festool Domino expires, every manufacturer will make a copy which is what happened when the patent expired on Fein's oscillating multi tool.

 

[ChuckM]

Wait. Are you saying two wrongs make a right?

Copying is fine if no patent infringement is involved. I was referring to examples in which Asian tool manufacturers infringed on another manufacturer's products while the patents were still valid. Think Veritas.

 

[smorgasbord]

I have also purchased a few of the other brands on the website with very good quality for the money.

As I posted upthread, I bought a ruler rated 4.5 stars by Dennis, and it was off by a full mm at 900mm. Completely unacceptable. Presumably, the version sent to him was more accurate, but the bottom line is you can't trust his reviews since no one knows what the Chinese manufacturer's quality control is like. And Banggood was quite frustrating to deal with in terms of refund.

 

[luvmytoolz]

Wait. Are you saying two wrongs make a right?

Copying is fine if no patent infringement is involved. I was referring to examples in which Asian tool manufacturers infringed on another manufacturer's products while the patents were still valid. Think Veritas.

I recall hearing this as one of the main arguments used when the tariffs were implemented, once a manufacturers product reached a certain rough threshold of items sold/revenue, it was then copied and produced en masse by Chinese manufacturers flooding the market with it at a cheaper price. Along with the fact it's almost impossible to sue Chinese companies for IP theft.

 

[Mini Me]

Wait. Are you saying two wrongs make a right?

Copying is fine if no patent infringement is involved. I was referring to examples in which Asian tool manufacturers infringed on another manufacturer's products while the patents were still valid. Think Veritas.

And Western nation companies don't do that? I was personally ripped off when I had a valid Australian patent and an Australian company took my idea and said sue us when they produced a product based on my patent and then sold it worldwide. It happens frequently and the only winners are the lawyers.

 

[ChuckM]

And Western nation companies don't do that?

Who ever said that?

 

[Woodenfish]

You're kidding, eh?

Are there any specific tools you see being sold on Banggood with a patent infringement?

 

[Packard]

The problem with Chinese made tools (from a USA manufactuers’ point of view) is not that they produce garbage, but that they have the ability to turn out some pretty good tools.

If all they did was produce garbage, they would have gone by the wayside like products from India did in the 1960s. (They often had beautiful chrome plating but the parts would break).

From my experience, the Chinese do a credible job when the item to produce requires some serious expertise. When that happens, the Chinese manufacturers will often (but perhaps not often enough) hire western consulting firms to guide them. When that happens, they seem to do a credible job.

But if the job looks easy, and they go it alone, they often trip up.

The company I worked for used to produce welded steel D-rings for the tarpaulin industry (mostly trucking). We produced between 5 and 8 million D-rings per year.

We encountered a competitive situation (competing with a Chinese supplier) and we decided to import ourselves. We had a detailed manufacturing specification. The wire had to be C1008-1010. The plating had to be zinc with a clear chromate coating, and the weld had to hold a tensile strength of 250 pounds minimum.

The production arrived and the parts looked great. The welds showed full penetration (resistance welds) and the zinc plating was excellent. Note: Offshore plating often looks better than domestic plating because they can use chemicals that are banned in the USA.

The problem was that the welds all failed.

Our welds often exceeded the capacity of our tensile tester (600 pounds), but these welds were failing at about 100 to 125 pounds.

We sent the samples to a testing lab to determine what alloy steel was used. Our guess was that the carbon content was too high and it compromised the welds. We were wrong.

The problem was the high silicon content. We asked the lab what grade of steel was used. They replied, “As far as we can tell, they crushed some old farm vehicles, melted the steel and converted it to wire. It does not match up with any known alloy of steel.”

The entire load (about 500,000 D-rings) was rejected.

The item to be produced was seemingly very simple (it was) but working on their own, the manufacturer made some production choices that ruined every part they produced.

My suggestion is, if the job requires a lot of manufacturing expertise, you probably are OK to buy from a Chinese manufacturer. But if it is simply to make something that looks like a red anodized T-square with white markings, probably not so much OK.

I would sooner buy a digital vernier calipers from a Chinese source, than a red-anodized-look-alike copy of an domestically produced measuring equipment.

 

[ChuckM]

Are there any specific tools you see being sold on Banggood with a patent infringement?

Does Banggood carry any goods that fall under the patent infringement category? I have never been to that website to allow me to say yes or no.

BUT this statement of yours "I don’t know if that applies to woodworking tools as most of them have been around forever and I don’t see any patent claims on any of them." is clearly not specific to Banggood. Is it?

 

[Packard]

To a large extent, from what I’ve read, China does not recognize intellectual property and does not enforce patent infringement or copyright infringement.

Back in the Blockbuster video rental boom, a big hit was the Chinese unlicensed video copies flooding the USA.

Apparently, China never made any enforcement effort in that regard.

So, to the western world, the Chinese violate intellectual property laws, but to the Chinese government it is business as usual.

 

[woodferret]

WTF. China has filed more patents than the US since 2010 and already passed 50% of the world output. Facts not feels please

 

[johnmpf]

Woodferret, I think you missed the point. It is not how many patents are filed. Its about enforcing other countries patents. When I was working in the food industry, Chinese companies regularly violated our patents. Our only recourse was to go after them in the US by suing their distributors. It worked a few times, but it cost us hundreds of thousands of dollars. The distributor would go out of business and be replaced with another one in a matter of weeks.

 

[ChuckM]

As far as I know, most, if not all, patent owners and manufacturers of woodworking tools in Canada do not take any legal actions (maybe other than a legal letter or two) against any patent "infringers" in Asia. They have a different legal system and finding a lawyer to represent in that part of the world is already a big hurdle.

I've seen exact copies of some patent-protected tools sold online on some Chinese platforms. So what? Everybody knows some buyers will look for good deals and they will buy the cheaper verison. It is not my role to tell anyone what to buy or what not to buy or from whom they should buy their stuff.

But I know that patent infringement happens in the woodworking world, and if someone says that's not the case, I feel a desire to state the fact. It's nothing personal.

 

[Woodenfish]

Does Banggood carry any goods that fall under the patent infringement category? I have never been to that website to allow me to say yes or no.

BUT this statement of yours "I don’t know if that applies to woodworking tools as most of them have been around forever and I don’t see any patent claims on any of them." is clearly not specific to Banggood. Is it?

No, it is not specific to Banggood. I can walk into any big box home improvement store and look at their products and will find good, better and best. Not every item that is similar looking will meet all of my needs if I want something really well thought out but for many people they will never need that function and are unwilling to pay for it.

Banggood is a different shopping experience. It’s best if you know what you are really getting beyond the picture and the price. You should read the item description. On many items they have a listing for the picture may be the item shown with all of its accessories included. When you go to order there may be options like A, B, C, D. These options are for you to pick which version of the tool you want and what accessories you want with it. I often read buyer comments about somebody not getting what they wanted and that is because they were in too much of a hurry to read and made their own decision without knowing the specific tool package they really wanted and ordered the wrong one. You can’t order ala carte and expect the full dinner with drink and desert. Order accordingly.

If you can read, have good patience to learn how the purchasing process works and understand exactly what you are getting by reading the item description I think the ordering process is very simple. Some people can’t grasp that and point fingers at others instead of accepting their mistakes. You see it in their comments.

When I’m reading these comments in this thread I see too many negative comments about things that have nothing to do with buying woodworking tools online from Banggood in China. I have purchased many different types of tools for woodworking and other things off this website. I have a mechanical mind that helps me make a good choice based on many different tools from past experiences with different brands. I’m not afraid of buying anything cheap if I know its quality is cheap and my usage for the tool is short. The tools I purchased from Banggood are all exceptional quality, low priced and have never given me any service problems. That being said, I make sure that I understand that many of their tools are in metric. I convert these measurements into inches if needed and order appropriately.

Woodworking tools have been around for as long as man walked the earths surface. There are very few new inventions in woodworking tools so most have no patent or the patent expired years ago.

If you buy something on the site that has the chance of being frail under stress and it breaks and there are no parts or service centers to get a repair completed that is on you the buyer. Find a different retailer if after purchase support is your importance. You buy a model airplane from Banggood and upon your first flight landing you crash it and break something it’s not a manufacturer defect, it’s you breaking it . The same thing goes for other items. Woodworking layout tools are fairly rugged so I don’t think most will have any problems.